PASTORS, PARENTS, and Church: A Call to Arms!

We are in the midst of Armageddon, and the spiritual battle rages all around us.  Yet, so many are oblivious to the conflict!  Are we passing Truth to our children and youth--or are we allowing them to be indoctrinated continuously by the godless society which surrounds us, as in public education and entertainment?  Are pastors--and parents--in our reformation movement giving our youth what they need or are we in default by our silence and compromise?

 

Are our children left open to Satan's clever attacks on their faith?  Are we hearing the ministry sounding the message of God's truth, regarding:

EVOLUTION, the absolute enemy of God's truth; it is the doctrine of anti-Christ.  Even some adult participants in the church "fellowship" seem to have no opinion or to be disposed to accept at least parts of it as "scientific"; children are not strengthened and supported in Christian faith to counter such insidious teachings that deny God as Creator, Jesus as Lord, and the Bible as truth.  Preachers and pastors, stand up and proclaim that the Bible is true, including the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis!  (But be careful not to teach what the Bible does not specifically say, such as how long the creation "days" were...it's best not to be dogmatic about what we cannot be certain.  I myself don't believe that mankind and dinosaurs were contemporary.   But, if God wanted to do it all in one "week," certainly he could have--or he could have taken billions of years in the formation of the universe as we see it now; God inhabits eternity, not our time/space illusionary warp.  What we must insist and proclaim is that Genesis is true, not a fable--and evolution is simply man's delusional effort to explain to himself that he is not accountable to any Higher Power who will bring him into Judgment.

 

The HOMOSEXUAL agenda with its mockery of Christians as "Bible thumpers" and "homophobes" and its proclamation of "gay pride" and promotion of the LGBT (as they call it) lifestyle.  Indeed, on this very website, one individual continually seeks to promote this agenda under the guise of promoting love and tolerance of "our LBGT children" in the church.    Unstable souls who are not well grounded in truth are susceptible to such Satanic influences--as are our youth, exposed to this constant barrage in the schools, worldly entertainment media, and by their indoctrinated associates.  What are our pastors and parents doing to counteract Satan's attacks on these issues?

 

False doctrines taught among the Evangelical community:   the "eternal security"/"sin-you-must" doctrines; the "slain-in-the-Spirit" madness; the "end-times" nonsense of a World Anti-Christ, secret Rapture (the "Left-Behind" fictions), 1000-year earthly reign out of Jerusalem, Great Tribulation, Zionism (failure to accept Paul's plain teaching that the true Jew and heir of all God's promises is he who receives Christ Jesus through faith, becoming part of the church, spiritual Israel),  charismatic "tongues" (so-called)--and various other unscriptural doctrines against which our pastors ought to warn our people! 

 

"All who will live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution," the apostle said.  You won't get persecuted for youth activities and ball games--but when one stands up for truth, then you will meet Satan's opposition.  

Do we really want to be the church of God?  Then, let's stand up and proclaim God's truth!

 

 

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Comment by Paul Fausnight on September 26, 2011 at 5:55pm

2 Corinthians 13:5--"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith...."

Comment by Glen Baumgartner on September 26, 2011 at 3:14am

Sorry I'm late Brother Paul.  First you have no scriptural or historic bases to say you can't be saved without faith in the scriptures. I get it. Scripture speaks of these things. Scripture speaks of Christ, of salvation. That is a convoluted logic because now you have justified rewriting the gospel.

One example is Paul getting knock of his ass on his ass. Are we to assume all must come to Christ on a burro? Tagging on the tail end of the rich young ruler; the disciples ask Jesus" who than can be saved"? Jesus' answers are always timeless. Jesus said" with brother Paul it is impossible, with God all things are possible".

You don't understand my reasoning, because it is not my reasoning. Your so intent on winning, your willing to sacrifice me and anyone to have your way. Your desperately need to control this blog to be right.  So your willing to impose on me the reasoning you need to win.

 

All I have brought to the table is love and faith. Paul had a seemingly unbearable physcial situation. He prayed three time for God to remove it. God spoke saying My grace is sufficient.

Gods church has had about 150 years of evolution to figure out that God grace is sufficient. And it has not.

 

I keep trying to encourage you and Kevin to be of good courage, to no avail. So you will continue to demonstrate a lack of spiritual cojones. Ask the question. If you want to know why I hold this position ask.

Comment by Glen Baumgartner on September 16, 2011 at 7:13pm
Brother Paul by how quickly you responded, I'm thinking you rushed your last post. You just served up a hanging curve ball. Instead of crushing it out of the park, I'm going to be gracious. I'll come through again Tues. If you should decide to change your response fine. If you should decide you need more time  say so. If you should leave it stand, I'm stepping up to the plate. Pray about what you have said.
Comment by Paul Fausnight on September 13, 2011 at 3:25pm

@Glen:

I've heard many believers in evolution claim apes as their progenitors, but I know the theory well enough to know that evolutionary "science" claims that mammals, such as we, all evolved from ancient shrewlike, rodent creatures.   Whales, on the other hand, derived from ancient wolflike creatures...  All, of course, originating from single-celled organisms which sprang magically to life zillions of years ago, courtesy of the Sun-god beaming down upon some watery soup of chemicals to impart "life."     Utterly preposterous...food fit only for fools' consumption!     And, in your suppositions, did God find Adam and Eve sufficiently evolved to then bestow on them an immortal soul?  I really have a hard time (often) following your lines of reasoning, and even if all thoughts were coherently expressed, it is impossible to arrive at truth and salvation without "faith in the scriptures" (referencing your comment).   The "love" you speak of must be God's love, not the "you're okay/I'm okay" acceptance and tolerance which the world calls love.  God's love is based on truth and holiness, all essential components of his divine nature, for God is love.  Love which does not hold to truth and holiness is only a false love.

"Keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science, falsely so called."     (1Timothy 6:20)

 

Comment by Glen Baumgartner on September 13, 2011 at 1:13pm

Brother Paul I never asked anyone to accept evolution.

 

Brother Paul of course it is legalism. There is no love in any legalism. The truth will set you free. All you have accomplish is to tell people, they can not pursue a scientific line of inquiry. If they do; by your interpretation of the creation story, they can not be saved. Where is the freedom in that? Where is the love in that? Where is the faith in that? If your God is too small to handle evolution , you need to either put Him in a bigger box, or skip the box idea all together. Could it be that by placing your faith in the scriptures, you have embraced a faithlessness in God? That is just too wrong. Regardless what we think, God has it covered. If God did not want us to investigate these mysteries or this hidden history, He should of done a better job of hiding it.

 

Not only is it legalism, but you have risk rewriting the Gospel of Jesus. Now it must read Jesus + the creation story. Is that in the gospel of Judas? That is not to be found in any of the Gospels I have read.

 

Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it. You asked what does our solar system, galaxies have to do with proving evolution. Here is a brief history lesson. Because of the church's interpretation of certain scriptures, the church's inquisition tried Galileo for heresy. With his death hanging in the balance Galileo recanted his observations. After recanting he spent the rest of his life under house arrest. Apparently the truth missed setting Galileo free.

 

Today you enjoy being on the backside of that controversy. You have made allowances for the reconciliation of scripture and science. Today you declare the solar system proclaims the glory of God, and rightly so. Today's controversy has been raging for 150 years. We have not reached the backside of it.

 

You see the church got it wrong then. The church still gets things wrong today. Jesus set love as the beacon. If you want to stay on track love. How many people needlessly walk away from God because of us? More than you imagine. My son made off with a book I bought some time ago. I didn't get to read it, but the title was “Lord Save Us from Your Followers”. It is now a movie. There is a spiritual principle, We reap what we sow. We have reaped what we have sown. If you like, I can give you a brief history lesson on how we reaped the gay agenda?

 

Paul you asked me what I believe concerning creation. I believe God created all things except your take on creation :) God created Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve's story continues beyond the creation story. I'm not sure why it was important to frame the question that way. If your asking if I believe man evolved from apes, I don't. Because of the similarities between us and apes it was a good question at one time. Today it is not. No one in this field believes that. If you believe they do, you need to catch up. The development of DNA testing was driven by evolution. The need to test the hypotheses. Today DNA testing made it damn near impossible to get away with a crime. :)

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This is what

Comment by Paul Fausnight on September 3, 2011 at 9:01am

Unfortunately, mankind has a pre-disposition (even among some who are well-meaning) to follow what one has been "taught" --especially in matters of theology and education--even if it conflicts with scripture.  This is exactly why we need a strong ministry proclaiming truth and parents who pass it on!  Otherwise, we have confusion and division, with people accusing one another of following private interpretations.  It is really critically important to have and follow the leadership of the Holy Spirit in all these matters, so as correctly to interpret the word of truth.  Remember that He is our Teacher.

 

If the children of Israel were required to display God's commands written on their clothing and entryways so that their young would not forget, how much more we, who have God's  commands written on our hearts, ought to inculcate them in our youth by precept and example!  An hour of Sunday school, alone, does not do it.  The banners we bear (love, holiness, faith in God's word  and faithfulness to it in sound doctrine and obedience, and unity) must be held high by us all--and this must begin in our homes and in our local congregations...which is the whole purpose of this "call to arms."  The "sword of the Spirit" is the word of God.  Without it, no matter how well we imagine that we are "armored," we are vulnerable and useless in this spiritual conflict.

 

Blessings to all.

Comment by Paul Fausnight on September 3, 2011 at 12:59am

Really, Glen, how can you equate believing the creation story of Adam & Eve and the Genesis flood account with believing in a "flat earth"!  And, it is not legalism to assert that God's word is true--nor is it equivalent to supporting the Catholic Inquisition!  You are on the wrong side on these issues mentioned on this thread--and Kevin correctly stated that these matters are foundational to true Christian faith.  As for "brilliance," I would point out that it is the height of absurdity and foolishness to conclude that humans have immortal souls and yet evolved from the lowest amoebae (however they got here), that we humans have familial ties to chimpanzees and such--that at some point God decided to impart immortal souls to some of these highly developed ape/humans (you do believe we have souls, I'm sure) which resulted in modern man...oh yes, this is brilliant thinking and scientific deduction!  But I, in my ignorance, choose to believe that the Bible is true, that God created man "in his own image," that every creature "brought forth after its own kind," and that "through him (the Word) all things were made"; "for by him (Christ) were all things created...."

God breathed into Adam the breath of life, and man became a living soul.   Believing and proclaiming this does not make one a legalist!  What are you thinking?!

 

Of course I believe that the apparently expanding super-universe (of trillions of stars and countless galaxies and island universes) measures billions of light-years across--but this gives not one iota of support for a belief in "evolution"!  Rather, it inspires awe and faith in a Creator so grand, wise, and powerful--yet, so loving that he voluntarily became our Savior...to which he committed even before originating the creation he was to redeem.  

 

How wrong again you are to say that I set up my logic as the final authority to interpret scripture, in my foolishness.  The scripture is plain, there for all to see.  I choose to accept and believe it!  You have chosen to pick-and-choose what you wish to affirm as truth.   You choose to accept Darwinian evolution, rather than the first 11 chapters of Genesis, as truth.  (And it is not just regarding "evolution" where you have strayed from truth, as evidenced by your other comments.)

 

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.  Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"   (2 Corinthians 13:5)

"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.  By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did.  By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings.  And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead."   (Hebrews 11:3-4)

 

OH, I'M SORRY!  You do not believe in Abel!  Nor Cain either--since...you do not believe in Adam nor in Eve but in the writings of an agnostic, propagating one of Satan's most clever deceptions upon humanity.   As for me, I choose to believe the Bible.  Period.

Comment by Glen Baumgartner on September 2, 2011 at 5:14am

Paul you have written some brilliant stuff , and you have written some really lame legalistic stuff. Setting up your logic as the final authority to interpreting scripture is foolish. Scripture itself speaks about this.

 

Your 1st foolishness: You criticize the current pope; yet you have been suckered into taking the same hard line of interpretations as popes of old. Are you saying the catholic church was right but now isn't? Are you saying that the catholic church was right in murdering people in the name of God, because their scientific observations disagreed with the church? You didn't deny believing in a flat earth or that the sun and universe revolves around the earth. Can we all assume you actually believe this?

 

Your 2nd foolishness: is you don't understand the science or its goals. Yes we have had a few clowns trying to disprove the existence of God. Yet our God remains. And what about the rest of those doing real science? Do they deserve to be lumped together because your afraid? Are you really so insecure in your faith that it must be your way or no way at all? There is a lie that has entered the church. It is that if we can prove the Bible is factual, some how winning souls to Christ will be as easy as getting a drink from a garden hose.

 

Your 3rd foolishness: You have forgotten to whom your writing to. I'm the man that follows Jesus for my reasons. In Rev 12 we read that they overcame (Satan) by the blood of the lamb, the word of their testimony, and that they did not love their life unto death. Hang on to “their testimony” for a moment. Fast forward to the Ark of the Testimony. Commonly refer. to the Ark of the Covenant. God says in this ark place the testimony I will give you. Everything that was place in this ark was a reminder of who they were, who God knew them to be and different experiences Israel had with God. God gave that to them. I follow Jesus because of the testimony He has gives me. My faith is based on the God of the Bible. It is rooted in Christ. I understand that God has chosen to withhold a lot of details. He is allowed.

 

Paul when we can measure a star to be 50 million light years away. That is, it takes 50 million years for that light to reach earth I'm stuck with trying to make things fit. I have several choices. I can believe that God abides by His laws of physics, or God perpetrated a fraud on us. Heaven forbid. That the light we see really isn't from those stars. If that light really isn't from those stars, how do we know their really there? I know their there because scripture says so and I experience the light. I look at the word yowm. It is translated as day. It doesn't fit. But what might, is a definition buried in the list of definitions. An unspecified unit of time. But I still don't have any guarantees save the witness of Gods Spirit with my spirit. So I set it aside.

 

I'm sorry Paul, you little logic construct just doesn't fit in my ear. So I will continue to believe that salvation is not contingent on the creation story.

 

So why do I bother here? Early in August here in Phoenix we had “The Gathering”. I met up with Rev James Fair Ret. I drop the name because when I speak of his wry smile, those that know him can remember the look of it. We were catching up, just mildly misbehaving, speaking under our breaths. You know the way Pastor do when someone else is in front. I found myself making a confession. I told James I could no longer pander to legalism. He responded, legalism need to co

Comment by Paul Fausnight on September 1, 2011 at 11:59am
Thank you, Jimmie, for your comment which underlines the central point of my posting.  "A Charge to Keep Have I" was one of my father's favorite songs, with good reason.  May we be faithful to this charge, for "to whom much is given, much more is required."
Comment by Jimmie R. Morris on September 1, 2011 at 5:21am

There can be not question in my heart and mind that we are a holiness movement. The question that this article causes me to ask is this, "Are WE living holiness". Holiness is the very nature of God and it is God who has ownership of it. But He calls us to live in His holiness, for us to share in it. Holiness is at the very heart of being the "light on the hill". His holiness produces light in the heart of the believer that the world will have no choice but to see because it challenges the heart of the world and its actions. This calls for us to live in confidence and boldness; to be living witnesses to God's grace and grow the kingdom of God.

Speak and live with grace and may God use us to His glory. Thank you so much for this article.

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